What to use for image manipulation within Grails?

[marcopas]

Hi there,

i need to create some thumbnails when a users submits an image file. I
looked around and have seen the ImageTools plugin, but was wondering
what people actually use to accomplish tasks like image manipulation?

Any suggestions?

Marco

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[robelsner]

I have tried many java libraries.  My advice is don't do image manipulation in java! I would suggest using command line tools and calling them from your app.

If you must, the imagemagick jni wrapper was the best.  Native is too slow, buggy, and ill supported.

Rob

[marcopas]

Hi rob, thanks for your suggestion. Could you provide me more information on what tools to use and how to approach the solution?

On Sep 11, 2011 8:01 PM, "Rob Elsner" <[hidden email]> wrote:

[Kimble]

I completely agree! Doing image manipulation in Java is slow and the quality sucks. I could live with it being slow, but the poor quality makes it impossible to live with.

I've very good experience with starting a image magic process with the correct arguments, but that's not very cloud friendly. Does anyone have any experience with "web 2.0" rest service for image scaling?

[Mark Fortner-3]

I haven't really had the problems that the others have talked about.  I've used ImageIO (which is backed by native libraries) and it was fast enough for my purposes -- mainly taking JPEG encoded telemetry from aircraft and processing them into a video stream -- sort of the modern day equivalent of a flipbook.  I would think that it's more than capable of dealing with thumbnailing.

Regards,

Mark

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Kimble <[hidden email]> wrote:

I completely agree! Doing image manipulation in Java is slow and the quality
sucks. I could live with it being slow, but the poor quality makes it
impossible to live with.

I've very good experience with starting a image magic process with the
correct arguments, but that's not very cloud friendly. Does anyone have any
experience with "web 2.0" rest service for image scaling?

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[Dean Del Ponte-2]

I've had great success with the Image Burning plugin.  http://www.grails.org/plugin/burning-image

I have not experienced any of the issues the others have referenced regarding image quality.

- Dean Del Ponte

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mark Fortner <[hidden email]> wrote:

I haven't really had the problems that the others have talked about.  I've used ImageIO (which is backed by native libraries) and it was fast enough for my purposes -- mainly taking JPEG encoded telemetry from aircraft and processing them into a video stream -- sort of the modern day equivalent of a flipbook.  I would think that it's more than capable of dealing with thumbnailing.

Regards,

Mark

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Kimble <[hidden email]> wrote:

I completely agree! Doing image manipulation in Java is slow and the quality
sucks. I could live with it being slow, but the poor quality makes it
impossible to live with.

I've very good experience with starting a image magic process with the
correct arguments, but that's not very cloud friendly. Does anyone have any
experience with "web 2.0" rest service for image scaling?

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[Kimble]

Can I ask you what platform and JVM you're using? Perhaps my image quality problems was due to either Linux or OpenJDK.

[Arash Sharif]

Ive also used imagemagick.  Its easy to use.  Java libs are probably too cumbersome for creating thumbs etc.

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[Dean Del Ponte-2]

I used Ubuntu 10.04 and Java 6.

Both the burning image plugin and image tools plugin use JAI which allows you to either increase or decrease the quality of the rendered thumbnail.

- Dean Del Ponte

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Arash Sharif <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ive also used imagemagick.  Its easy to use.  Java libs are probably too cumbersome for creating thumbs etc.

On Sep 11, 2011 12:20 PM, "Kimble" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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[Neeraj Wasan]

ImageMagick rocks. It is very easy to use. I have used it with ghostscript in two of my projects that use image manipulation (dynamic banner generation etc.)

Cheers

Neeraj
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Dean Del Ponte <[hidden email]> wrote:

I used Ubuntu 10.04 and Java 6.

Both the burning image plugin and image tools plugin use JAI which allows you to either increase or decrease the quality of the rendered thumbnail.

- Dean Del Ponte

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Arash Sharif <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ive also used imagemagick.  Its easy to use.  Java libs are probably too cumbersome for creating thumbs etc.

On Sep 11, 2011 12:20 PM, "Kimble" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Can I ask you what platform and JVM you're using? Perhaps my image quality
> problems was due to either Linux or OpenJDK.
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[gauravchauhan]

I have used ImageTools Plugin and it has worked well in my case. Give it a shot. 

Regards
Gaurav Chauhan

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Neeraj Wasan <[hidden email]> wrote:

ImageMagick rocks. It is very easy to use. I have used it with ghostscript in two of my projects that use image manipulation (dynamic banner generation etc.)

Cheers

Neeraj

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Dean Del Ponte <[hidden email]> wrote:

I used Ubuntu 10.04 and Java 6.

Both the burning image plugin and image tools plugin use JAI which allows you to either increase or decrease the quality of the rendered thumbnail.

- Dean Del Ponte

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Arash Sharif <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ive also used imagemagick.  Its easy to use.  Java libs are probably too cumbersome for creating thumbs etc.

On Sep 11, 2011 12:20 PM, "Kimble" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Can I ask you what platform and JVM you're using? Perhaps my image quality
> problems was due to either Linux or OpenJDK.
>
> -----
> - Kim A. Betti
> Have a nice day!
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[robelsner]

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Dean Del Ponte <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I used Ubuntu 10.04 and Java 6.
> Both the burning image plugin and image tools plugin use JAI which allows
> you to either increase or decrease the quality of the rendered thumbnail.
> - Dean Del Ponte

JAI was very finicky for me when switching between Linux and Windows
hosts, so your mileage may vary on plugins which use JAI if that is a
requirement.  The pure Java performance was lacking for what I needed
to do.  That's why I recommended ImageMagick and related tools.

Rob

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[Mark Fortner-3]

Just out of curiosity, did you try the native JAI or imageio libraries before switching to ImageMagick?

Mark

On Monday, September 12, 2011, Rob Elsner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Dean Del Ponte <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I used Ubuntu 10.04 and Java 6.
>> Both the burning image plugin and image tools plugin use JAI which allows
>> you to either increase or decrease the quality of the rendered thumbnail.
>> - Dean Del Ponte
>
> JAI was very finicky for me when switching between Linux and Windows
> hosts, so your mileage may vary on plugins which use JAI if that is a
> requirement.  The pure Java performance was lacking for what I needed
> to do.  That's why I recommended ImageMagick and related tools.
>
> Rob
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card.ly: 

[Daniel Honig]

I experimented with all of the approaches mentioned above and from a Quality perspective nothing delivered as well as ImageMagick.   I looked into the JNI options and JMagick as well as the java media API's. 

In the end I used Apache commons exec to interact with ImageMagick and this approach worked well.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Mark Fortner <[hidden email]> wrote:

Just out of curiosity, did you try the native JAI or imageio libraries before switching to ImageMagick?

Mark

On Monday, September 12, 2011, Rob Elsner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Dean Del Ponte <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I used Ubuntu 10.04 and Java 6.
>> Both the burning image plugin and image tools plugin use JAI which allows
>> you to either increase or decrease the quality of the rendered thumbnail.
>> - Dean Del Ponte
>
> JAI was very finicky for me when switching between Linux and Windows
> hosts, so your mileage may vary on plugins which use JAI if that is a
> requirement.  The pure Java performance was lacking for what I needed
> to do.  That's why I recommended ImageMagick and related tools.
>
> Rob
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[pledbrook]

> I used Ubuntu 10.04 and Java 6.
> Both the burning image plugin and image tools plugin use JAI which allows
> you to either increase or decrease the quality of the rendered thumbnail.

The documentation for Burning Image plugin says that it can be
configured to use ImageMagick, although I haven't tested this yet. For
my money, this is the best plugin if you want to do image upload as
well as image manipulation since it does all the hard work for you.
Definitely worth a look for pure image manipulation too.

Peter

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